Beevers agrees permanent Lions move

what a *****n joke, this is an absolute pss take. why dont we sell antonio and madine while we are at it? jones can leave now im solutely fed up!

If we sold the aforementioned players then DJ could be paid off.

dooleys left leg, is it just me or is there a pattern developing here? Since being stung by the whole Megson/ fans' loyalty thing MM seems determined to eject anyone or anything with sworn allegiances to the club. Rob Jones was shuffled out with indecent haste, RO'D & Sedgwick were shown the door, Weaver is the forgotten man and not worth a squad number, Palmer was farmed out on loan and Beevers followed him, and now we're told it's for good. Blimey! I bet Ozzie Owl's sweating!

it kind of reminds me of the Leeds team that was relegated from the prem e few years ago that was made up of loanees and over the hillers just there for the money and the few that gave a ***** gave up in the end as every one else at the club was just there for the pay-check and knew they were off at the end of the season so it didn't matter what happened to the club. It frightened me that a whole club could be run like that and now it would appear it is happening here. MM needs to sort things out before we are well and truely up the creek without a paddle. I don't just mean DJ needs sorting the players with the exception of the few need a kick up the arse and re-focus on where they could take this club. It seems the players are fine to hide behind Dave Jones being blamed for everything maybe if some of them were to forget Jones game plan and play the way they want to we might have some sucess - on the other hand maybe it's fear of having a good game as they would be dropped??

Good Luck Mark I am convinced you must have run over the club cat and clearly you must not be forgiven

A good post OurMaurice because you may have hit on the issue which is driving this whole situation. Even if that is what's driving things its still bewildering. Selling Beevers leaves me speechless: what possible game plan can that be playing to for the benefit of the Club unless its all down to personalities. And even then its hard to justify it being to our advantage. Wedalways suggests DJ sort the players out....he can't....he isn't capable. If he could do it he would have done it before now. If any individual has an ounce of sense he learns from his mistakes but all this guy seems to do is repeat them and put the blame somewhere else when it goes wrong.....again. I have a really deep worry now that we are stuck with this guy up to and possibly beyond the point of any possible return

its me next!

dobby1/ Hirsty's Shinpads, I wasn't really trying to add fuel to any conspiracy theories, y' know. It was just a wry observation, that's all. Besides, we have more serious things to worry about right now. Just thankful we have such a brilliant manager or else we would be in the ****!

And beepers is beevers spell checked,

if ever there has been a must win game Barnsley has to be it. Yorkshire Neighbours - 1 point above us and I hope the last chance saloon for Jones. Madine hat-trick and Llera adding to the scoreline making it a 4-1 wednesday win

ok I have just crawled out from my preverbial rock and noticed we are on sky sports 2 sat and that changes things for me. Brighton I would love to see the second coming and you never know he might be a wednesdayite. I still think we will score 4 but Barnsley might get a couple more than 1 but untill further notice I am not prepared to say how many more. seriously though if ever there was a time for Jones to prove he has been trying the this is it surely

Maurice thanks mate prozac for dinner again for me tonight and there was me trying to put a semi positive spin on things. to be fair i am tired of the Jones arguement he is clearly not the right man and is really ballsing things up for us but no-one would appear to be doing anything about it so even if they are false positives I intend to bombard you lovely people with all the positives I can find or indeed fabricate ( there has to be something for us to cling onto )

Hmm, well that ball didn't seem to roll very far, did it. Sort of took an unfortunate deflection past optimism and ended up wedged under a table in the occult toy section. So, anyone out there want to talk about owt else?

You could have a point there, brinsworthowl. We've often speculated on here who's responsible for bringing players in (because if it's all down to Paul Aldridge I'd say his judgement sucks!) but surely good management is about getting the best out of whoever's available. In that case, there can be no argument that DJ has done a lousy job since the end of August. This whole 'loan' business and Bothroyd in particular. He was still insisting a permanent move is possible before the Bristol match and if that isn't a good enough reason to give him the boot then I don't know what is. Personally, I think he's completely lost touch. It's as though he has this picture in his head of what 'his' type of team looks like and Bothroyd is probably part of it. Trouble is, the other ten pieces don't fit. Unless you count Kirkland, Taylor and maybe, I dunno, Barkley. I'm not even sure Antonio's in it TBH, but the results speak for themselves. There's no progress being made, no corner turned. If I had one wish this Christmas it would be GM's return. At least he says 'This is my job and this is how I do it.' With DJ it's 'They keep doing it wrong and this is what happens.' The time to get rid was weeks ago when the problem was instantly treatable, this delay is not only baffling but at this rate it'll need a miracle to pull off a full recovery.

I'm just hoping CO'G gets a game Saturday night. I've a hunch this foot injury is a smokescreen and if he's 'rested' because of it then it's all the proof I'll need that he'll be a Dingle come January (for an undisclosed fee of course).

Think about it though: DJ keeps his job, CO'G off to Barnsley the moment the transfer window opens and Bothroyd's loan extended till the end of the season. Who can honestly say it won't happen? At the end of the day it doesn't matter what we think about it.

It makes a difference to me what you think. I care. I know we can take action. Social, vocal action. Get radical. Sit in. Stand up. Oh come on, really, now sit down. Nope not ready for that yet. So it really is only us then that will care about what we think.

OddOwl, we all care. Meaning, each of us value our own opinions and express them as a way of demonstrating our lifelong commitment to the club we love. The question is: Are our opinions likely to influence MM's decision making process? Sadly, I'd say no. Not a chance. However, I would say our ongoing commitment is vitally important to his prospects of success and he'll be keen to keep us sweet, as it were, but he's probably chasing a different set of targets than the rest of us anyway. We're not used to being 'owned' and there are pros and cons even when the concept seems to work and delivers trophies on a regular basis (ie. Chelsea). But when Abramovich fires a popular manager the fans might get the hump but they can still sit back and wait for all that dosh to keep the show on the road. MM chose to fire a popular manager rather than spend the dosh in his pocket and as a gamble it seemed to pay off. Now though, when we should all be setting our sights on brighter horizons we look like keeping a manager who's hit a brick wall as opposed to a 'lairning cairve', who seems to content to either loan out or sell our popular players whilst standing by a bunch of expensive, underachieving and ageing turkeys. I want to take comfort from the fact MM has recently pledged to keep us up this season, although we'll have wait to see what he has in mind because he wasn't giving anything away either. He asks us to trust him, we trust him because we have no other choice in the matter. We're Wednesdayites. We were here before he came to our rescue and we'll still be here after he's moved on to whatever comes next on his business agenda. Yes, his timely intervention did us all a massive favour and for that we remain eternally grateful, but when it all boils down he, together with his chosen staff are merely custodians whose first responsibility ought to be the club. And the true value of any club can only be measured by the size, strength and potential of it's fanbase. It's one thing to disregard our views and opinions but I reckon it would be a huge mistake to ignore them.