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Bolton Wanderers 0 - Wednesday 1


The Reebok Stadium

26/12/12 - 3pm

Attendance: 22,292

Referee: Mr Mathieson

Bolton Wanderers
0 - 1
Sidibe 25
Venue: The Reebok Stadium
Attendance: 22,292
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Writer: Nick Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday December 27 2012

Time: 9:04PM

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well done wednesday, three clean sheets and three wins. I am surprised to be the first on here being as we have won. Has Gray made the difference, who knows? We needed to alter the coaching lineup and hopefully this new influence is the one we have been missing. I know the last three results don't suit everyone's agenda on here and I'm sure the results can be written down to a combination of luck and the ghost of megson's past. onwards and upwards for the new year!
Hirsty's Shinpads
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28/12/2012 09:59:00

Or has DJ become a great manager overnight? Who knows, lol. It's fair to say the obvious solutions to many of our problems have been there all along: Failing to replace Burton, overlooking players on form and changing formation to accommodate players who aren't etc etc. I still think DJ has a lot to do if he ever hopes to fully restore faith and confidence, but maybe that's just me. The last three results have been just what we all needed and I can't imagine 9pts and three clean sheets going against anyone's agenda tbh, but it's hard to sweep the previous eighteen results under the rug. Still, MM has made it abundantly clear that the shots are his to call. He plans to stick with DJ so that's that. The next few games are huge, as are our objectives once the transfer window opens again. Survival in this division must be our priority but I'd hate to think it was the limit of our ambitions all the same. Onwards and upwards!
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28/12/2012 11:41:00

'Huge' meaning 'hugely important' IMO, we won't know what MM's objectives are until the window slams shut on 31st Jan and we can all take stock of what has/ hasn't occurred.
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28/12/2012 11:49:00

I don't think he became a bad manager overnight anymore than he came good overnight. the point being that the true test of his ability is how he responds to the first half of the season. he has made changes as you have identified above and these have had an impact, so whilst we shouldn't sweep the previous results under the carpet there is no point in dwelling on the past. At some point someone has to be brave enough to say this is the man to take us forward and back him and it appears that MM has reached that point. We have brought a fair few managers in who start well then get sacked after a bad run and I'm pretty sure they are not all bad managers. We could have sacked Jones 3 games ago then won those last three and everyone would saying told you so and the whole process would have started again.
Hirsty's Shinpads
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28/12/2012 12:13:00

Seriously though, how do we judge whether a manager is good or bad? I had to laugh hearing one of DJ's grumpier post-match interviews a few weeks back, he said (something like): 'Players win matches, managers lose them.' I thought: Okay then, as he was happy to accept full credit for our promotion, who would he blame for relegation? Well, the players apparently. Perhaps it's true that a manager's 'worth' ought to judged on other aspects of the job and not just results but as he's the one who makes all the decisions (from recruitment of players & staff, team selection, tactics & formations etc) the results and performances shown since the end of August point to some major managerial failings. As happy as I'd be to think our season 'began' with a scabby win at Oakwell and went on to feature the same kind of run that saw us promoted last May I'd still have to ask why it was necessary to persist for so long with a system that clearly didn't work. Or, perhaps he needed someone else to come along and make a few key decisions on his behalf which, if true, would hardly reflect well on his own abilities. That's what I meant by faith & confidence. As desperate as I am for Wednesday to be successful I still need to be convinced DJ is capable of delivering the goods.
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28/12/2012 13:02:00

Fair enough. I don't think you can convinced of Jones abilities certainly not by me. What will it take to convince you? I suppose we will just have to see how he goes. I'm just sick of us sacking managers every year because they have had a bad run. I would rather endure some pain whilst we build a long term set up and then hopefully reap the rewards.
Hirsty's Shinpads
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29/12/2012 01:09:00

OK. Three wins. Three clean sheets. That is good work. That earns DJ a clean slate from me. Looking forward to the match today and the new year ahead.
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29/12/2012 11:32:00

I agree with HS about looking longer term and taking some pain to give some time to build. DJ has experience of doing well. We will need that when we are winning regularly as we want someone who knows how to keep a team winning as much as we have needed someone who can reignite things when they have gone awry.
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29/12/2012 11:37:00

Agree with much of what is said but you can't ignore the cause and effect of Gray coming in. The change in our fortunes has to have a lot to do with him coming in. Fans at Cardiff seem to indicate that DJ is performing to type in many aspects of his management of this club. What I don't understand is those who think the change over the last few games is down to him. He's got the same players that we had during the losing run and if he can see what's needed now and has made appropriate changes to bring about the change, why didn't he do that weeks ago. It doesn't add up. I've thought for a long time that MM has DJ here for the long haul or at least up to the sale of the club which I think may well be in the next 18 months particularly if we can end up mid-table as I think we will and spend as little as possible to do that.
Fantham's Hairnet
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30/12/2012 09:19:00

I think Gray most likely has made the difference but if we are to believe what we are being told, that this was Jones' decision to appoint him, then I suppose the upturn is down to Jones no? At the end of the day the coaching set up has to be right in order to have any chance on the pitch and it is the managers job to get this right. Perhaps the coaches that Jones wanted were not available until the other week. I don't think any of us really believe that DJ was sat on his hands for weeks on end hoping things would come good
Hirsty's Shinpads
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30/12/2012 11:56:00

We can either believe what we're told or else we can speculate and frankly, I think there's too much going on that we never get to hear about - but that's a different topic, I guess. As for Stuart Gray, perhaps there are two things worth bearing in mind: 1) He's been out of work since last summer, apparently. And 2) DJ doesn't personally take charge of coaching sessions, apparently. We can assume that was Terry Burton's job before DJ 'promoted' Paul Wilkinson and handed the responsibility to him. Again, I'm speculating here. Maybe bringing SG in was Jones' decision (they had worked together in the past) but maybe he was TOLD to do it by either MM or PA, or else given permission. Why not? Unless DJ's hands have been tied for weeks on end then I reckon he has been sat on 'em and hoping PW came good.
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30/12/2012 12:19:00

then he would have been sacked. there is no employer in the world who would watch a senior employee preside over a period failure whilst making no effort to rectify the situation
Hirsty's Shinpads
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31/12/2012 00:26:00

and compensation wouldn't come into it as it would be gross misconduct
Hirsty's Shinpads
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31/12/2012 00:27:00

So after a period of fourteen defeats from eighteen league games perhaps the employer had a word in the ear of his senior employee and advised he make a few changes to the backroom staff, because unless the situation is quickly rectified his dismissal would be inevitable. Let's face it Hirsty's Shinpads, something had to happen and now, thankfully, we have reason to believe it has. DJ might well count himself fortunate to still be in a job when other managers with equal experience/ reputation, rightly or wrongly, would've been shown the door weeks ago. But he's still here and that probably has more to do with his relationship with the owner than contractual clauses or anything else.
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31/12/2012 07:16:00

Have only just caught up with this last post OM. Couldn't agree more.
Fantham's Hairnet
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